Denis LaCrosse wrote:

Ok, everybody remembers Eckhoff, nobody remembers Dockery, therefore, Doc was Wagner. Lots of unmemorable stuff about that poor ship.

Jerry, good to hear from you again, was waiting to hear about the latest race. So Eck retired from TraLant as Cdr, why am I not surprised? He was ambitious.

Glad to help, Mike!

Now, how many remember Abel, BM3, ran the paint locker (just fwd of our living compartment, in the forepeak) with an iron fist, painted his shoes black for inspection.

I was just remembering where all we went on that little ship. Portsmouth (London), LeHavre (Paris), Lisbon, Gibralter, Port Au Prince (from Gtmo) Prince Edward Island...not too bad, for a Picket Ship!

I also remember Frank Fenton and myself trying to talk Lt(jg) Beers into letting us off in Argentia, riding the Line on a Connie (we had already got permission from the Squadron), then getting back to Newport and the ship on our own. No way, we were only enlisted men, couldn't be trusted. Remember, we were only allowed to goinside 100 miles on a weekend?

Ah, memories!

Signed

Denis LaCrosse

thomas.cummings@attbi.com wrote:

Denis

yes ..Clarence Eckhoff...tall slim and pock marked face...nice guy....the Wilson I remember also....no first name...can see his face though.....Dockery don't ring a bell....

Signed

Tom Cummings

Denis wrote:

Two new names: While I was aboard, an RD1, Eckhoff, reported aboard. I think his first name might have been Clarence, not sure. His bud was RDSN/RD3 Wilson.

I learned a lot of the leadership I used later on from him. Anybody hear from him?

Another RD1, Dockery, may have been Pill, or maybe Wagner, not sure. Lots of fleeting and not kept memories from Wagner. He was before my time on either ship, anybody remember the name?

Denis LaCrosse

From: Mike Lambert

Hi Shipmates

I made one round trip aboard a Super Constellation AEW plane from Argentia to Flores, Azores Island to Argentia, it took 16 Hours and 20 minutes. I met an AC3 Samuel Tucker on the flight. We would meet once again in 1965 GCA Unit #20 NAS Atlanta Where we would stationed together for 3 years.

Mike Lambert

Hey Tom,

Whose Car did we use to go up there, and who all went besides you, me,and Jenkins --also What movie did we go and see. I remember cutting my knee in the Lake in the park. I remember I was Drinking a little. Also do you remember a RD named "Little"?

Mike Lambert

Mike,

Yep it sure was a lost weekend....I think one of the others was Clarence Miles I dunno whose car that was. We went to a drivein didn't we?...think movie was God's Little Acre??.....I remmeber the song Western Movies by the Olympics was popular then...listeninmg in the car.

I don't remember even sleeping....trying to find you in the park in Albany yes...we heard you on one side of the lake...by the time we got over there...you were howlin on the other side........*laffin*

Nope don't remember a RD named Little....

Tom Cummings

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "cwilson"
Cc:
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: U.S.S. Pillsbury DER-133

Clarence,

I got out of the Navy in Sept '59.....reupped in USAF in March '61...no basic ...lost two stripes..E-5 to E-3....but got longest electronic school they had....stayed and retired MSGT (E-7) out here in Denver,Colorado in '78....now staff Univ of Colorado Denver....Engineering..electronic maintenance and calibration supporting engineering labs... .getting ready to retire here now too...21 years as of June 1.

Two children.....son single works for Delta , Customer Service....Buffalo......and daughter single through three marriages with five grands and she lives with me.

Did a lotta hunting and fishing and had a three year tour up in Anchorage, AK during the '70s....now just fish locally and up until this summer was making annual forage with now 17 year old grandson to Manitoba every July for a week of flyin wilderness fishing.

Whats up with you?....Did you win the lottery or hit gold?....wife?....kids?...grands?

When I contacted Lambert and Treuer the first time I found the page.... I told Mike that we spent a Saturday night chasing him in the dark through a city park in Albany, NY .....them indians can't drink....I know Clarence Miles was there don't remember the other guys we went up there with?....

I remember when we went to see the Exec, we said I fell down and you were helping me up....I was already on probation for a bust because I altered my ID card so I was 21 in Boston...used a communications typewriter on toilet paper to change my birth year and slit ID card......got caught in Newport by local police...and my Captains Mast was for Forgery....*laffin*....and now I don't drink or smoke....quit Lucky strikes three years ago "cold turkey*...just ran out one day......

Wanna Rematch?

Tom Cummings

Tom,

Yep I'm guilty. Dang, I forgot about going home to Buffalo with you and the fight we had at the Ferry building. I remember the SP took my ID cad and wouldn't give it back so I started to take it back. When he started to draw his 45 I changed my mind and did'nt want it back. Sure good to hear from you after all these years. Did you make something of yourself or did you stay in the Navy like Mike.

Clarence Wilson

Hey Tom,

Whose Car did we use to go up there, and who all went besides you, me,and Jenkins --also What movie did we go and see. I remember cutting my knee in the Lake in the park. I remember i was Drinking a little. Also do you remember a RD named "Little"?

Mike Lambert

Clarence,

There was a radioman with the last name of Wilson I us to get in all sorts of trouble with....took him back home one weekend to Buffalo, NY and we got in a big bar fight there....and we had a execs mast together for fighting at fleet landing one nite think it was after a ships party....might you be the same Wilson?....as I recall he was from Oregon.....*laffin*....

Tom Cummings, ex Radarman

I remember "Robbie" Roberts, Gallo, Snowball Jones. I'm not sure but I think "El Dicko" the CMAA was Kennedy.

Clarence Wilson

Hi All

Ensign Callaway....stood CIC watches...was assistant something to LTJG Tetreault...(Mr. T)...graduate geologist Yale Univ....we called him Mr Rock Knocker on picket watches in CIC......and he liked that....*LAFFIN*

Seaman Able...he was from Pa somewhere..kinda lookedlike short Mr Peepers ....his favorite saying was..."It don't mean dick"....he usta take care of the paint locker below our compartment....if there was lower decks inspection on Saturday he would work in late Friday nite...he would come up through the hatch into our comaprtment and always was wobbly from the paint fumes and would paint his shoes glossy black....he would walk flatfooted back aft to his compartment so the paint wouldn't crack and chip off...he left those shoes out for inspection on his locker top...*laffin*

He also came back from a hard night liberty while wewere in Le Harve....I was PO of the watch...he came across the brow with a dried bloodied broken nose and bent glasses frame....I asked him what happened....he said he saw a guy across the street and thought he wanted a cigarette....he pulled his pack outta his sock and when he looked up...whammo the guy smacked him in the nose...don't remember if he lost anything and someone else was with him...course he was drunk as *ell too.....*laffin*

There was an Ensign Wise also from Brooklyn, NY....he was in charge of the deckforce...E Div???...when I came aboard...he was putting everybody on report not wearing a hat outside.....I was warned....do you guys remmeber that?

Also the Boats Chief would hit our compartment right after reville to try to catch us in the racks without a sleep in chit...I know some ETs got caught and worked extra duty hours in the bilges cleaning them...they would come up through the hatch into the messhall while we were watching movies in the evening.....*laffin*

Also we would trice up the racks lay on the locker tops with two feet on the floor and sleep and the chief couldn't write us up cause two feet were on the deck....*laffin*

Theres somethings you never forget....those are a few......I got more ....later.

Tom <

----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Davis
To: mflambert@mindspring.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:16 PM
Subject: USS PILLSBURY

Have you ever written the National Archives and requested the Muster Roll for the Pillsbury. You specify the years, cost should be about 16.25 for a 16mm positive film., which you take to the local library and transfer it to paper so that you have something to work with.

I got mine for the Chatelain, it gives the first, last, middle, service number rate and place of enlistment.

Believe the Pillsbury's would be at the National Archives 8601 Adelphi road College Park MD 20740-6001.

They locate the film for the Muster Roll, write to you to tell you the cost, request you send payment to Atlanta GA...Dont ask why Atlanta, but that is where they requested I send my $16.25 to. Then I got the film about 2 weeks later.

I then went on a searching expedition, using the library with their micro physch, then made up a letter and mailed it to Dear Shipmate,I am attempting to locate crew members who served on USS - - - - - .

I did visit your page, it can become a labor or love. I know how to search and dig up information, but do not know how to even come close to starting a page for the internet. I do keep old and some current address's for the WW!! crewmembers of the 5 ships in the Task Group. (DE's) I never did want to tackle the Air Craft Carrier. So if someone is seeking a WW!! crewmember from the Pillsbury refer them my way.

ART

Hi Chief,

I just got home from vacation and saw the division picture. I'll try and name the men but will not know them all because the way some posed. Back Row, Ltjg Merrett, Chief Adams,Treuer.ukn,West, O'Keefe,LaCrosse, Crowder, Crissman, ukn, Tripp, Miles, Heston, Jenkins, Ltjg Guy.Front Row,Cummings, Roberts,Thorne,ukn, Pasailague,ukn,ukn,Miller Parsons, Reynolds,Fredd, Schiltz,Denton, Marshall. Thats all I remember. By the way I retired as RDC in 1970 32 years ago August 3 .Talk to you later.

Bob Tripp RDC RET.

Mike,

I agree with most the names from Tripp of the division.....that means the only one we haven't named is the guy to Treuers left....I know he was an AG...third class?....and I think you mentioned his name to me Harold in an earlier mail?

Also the guy to Tripp's right is Robert Turocy AG2, positive. The only name I have a problem with is LTJG Guy...on the top row end....don't think that was it...but that was over 40 years ago?.....*laffin*...

Tom

First pic Gibralter....RDSA Marshall....RDSN Schlitz....SN Castro (Stewart)
Second....Pilsbury & Calcaterra...pretty sure its Lisbon

Tom

Trying to locate just where he is. I think the left side of CIC, as you come in. There should be a SPA-4 between him and the Evaluator's desk.
The cranks are:

Bottom: bearing cursor and range strobe.
Middle: cursor and strobe origin. Air Controllers best friend.
Top:Used when DRI input was used, not very often. But gave a true picture, vice relative, on the scope.

Grau was DCA (Damage Control Assistant). Chief Engineer I believe was Banks, or that name comes to mind. Ltjg Beers I believe was Ops when I came aboard. Not sure, but I think I may have given you the name of Wertz in error. I believe he was ops on another ship. Wise was Deck.

Good job on the roster!

Denis

From:

Michael Lambert

Officers Roster

LCDR Alfred Winslow Harmon Captain
LCDR Fitzgerald Captain
LCDR Harwood Captain
LT Bailey XO
LT C J Renner XO
Ens/Ltjg Beers Disbursing
Ens Calaway Ops/CIC
Ens Comstock EMO/Ops Dept
Ltjg P H Gouldson Disbursing/Personnel
Ens V J Greco Admin Asst
Ens Grau ??
Ens Guy OPS/CIC
Ltjg Paul F Jacobson Gunnery
Ltjg Robert Mauer Ops/CIC
Ltjg W. Stanley Larimer Admin Asst
Ltjg P. M. Mettert EMO
Ens/Ltjg Schriger Admin Asst
Ens V A Tereault Admin Asst
Ltjg/LT Pete Wertz
Ens Wise Ops/CIC

Crews Roster

Abel BMSN/BM3	Adams RDC	Dana Armour FT2	Donald Bovard ET3	Fred W Brown ET2 ( alias Charlie Brown)	Caparelli RD2
Castro Ships Steward	Charity CS? Ships Cook	Crissman RD??	Crowder RDSA	Tom Cummings RD2	Dailey RD3
Daniels CS1	Denton RDSN	Duane Eldridge SK2	Elmer Fredd ET2	Ericson BMC/BM1	George Farrell ENFN
Frank Fenton RD3	Roy Freeman EMC	Gallo BM?	Gary Garbett GM2	Goings/Goens "DAD" CS? Ships Cook?	Grady RD3
Hall ET3	Doc Harmon HMC	Harris RMSN	Hespenheide RMSN	Heston ET3	Hollatz RD3
Hollowell "Sarge" TM2	Gerald D. Jenkins ET2	Jones BM1/BMC	Kennedy BMC CMAA	Carl Kirby IC3	Kleckner RM1
Michael F. Lambert ET2	Denis Lacrosse RD2	Lanese ET?	Lee RDSN?	Little RD3	Lopez PN?
Lowery "Scullery"	Dennis Lynch AG3	Richard Marcinkowski ET3	Marshall RDSN	Roy Maye RD1/RDC	Ronald J. Mcafee ET1/LDO EMO ?
McKinley ??	Clarence Miles RD2	Miller RDSN	Melvin Mitchell RD2	Monk DC3	Moore IC3
Richard T. Moore ET1/CDR LDO EMO	Moss SH? ships Barber	Ronnie Muscarella RD2	Neal DK2	Nelson RDSN	Victor Nolan FT1
Noziglia QM3	Clermont Parks RM3	Parsons ET3	Passaglique RD3	Ortiz Perez CS???	O'Keefe RD??
Perillo Eng or 1St Div	Planker FT2	Earle PRICE E5	Reynolds RDSA	Hershel A. Richards RD3	Rose GM2
Roberts RDSN	Roberts "Robbie" BM?	Robert Robinson FT2	Jerry Salonia RD2	Steve Scales RD3	Schlitz RDSN
Robert Scott DK3	Scott RMSN	Leon SchnurrRD3	Lamar Senn FT3	Elmer Stanfill ???	Paul Strawser RD2
Fred Stump EN3	Tavormina RMSN	Tealand ET3	Thorne RDSA	Robert Tripp RD2	Harold Treuer ET2
Richard Turocy RD3	Robert Turocy AG2	Jerry Vancleave RD3/Retired CDR LDO Ops	Carl Wallander TM2	Washington FT1	West RD??
Whittleton BMSN	Williams YN2	Clarence Wilson RM3	Frank "Zam" Zamboni RD2

STYER was the senior Commisaryman and Styles was the Baker, made a very good loaf of bread, I used to throw the stale "store" bread overboard so he could bake earlier, used to get real Pi----at me. ( I was the Commissary storekeeper at the time.)

Frank "Zam" Zamboni

Mike,

I just took another peek at the web page, looking for something, when I ran across the "aircraft down" part. We were there.

The aircraft call was 16 Knothole, she went missing enroute our Picket station. I was on watch, and we were expecting to pick up her radar picture at any minute, but she never answered our calls.

I recall Grain, Junction, Mahogany. I still think one was Goat Pen, but not sure. How about, you Radarmen? What was the fourth call sign?

There were two Super Connie squadrons, one was Knothole, the other Golden Chain.

Denis

Shipmates:

I had to chuckle about Jenkins not having a computer. I spent two years aboard Sterett, one of the first class of ship to be almost entirely run by computer. One of my friends was a Chief Data systems technician. He ran the rooms and the computers that were our NTDS, Fire Control, ship's self defense.

He now lives in southern Washington, on ten acres. He has firewood for the rest of his life. He and his wife Sally are just as gracious as ever. As for technology, he has a telephone and electricity. Period! He does come to all of our reunions, he gets the information by snail mail. He told me he doesn't even have a hand held calculator. Incidentally, for under $50, one can buy a hand-held with more capacity than Sterett's entire system. Which took two rooms. Or, for that matter, the radar computer aboard Enterprise, which took up two entire levels in the island (vacuum tubes, no less).

Elmer,

I see you are on the water. We are close, but not on. Hood Canal on one side, Puget Sound on the other, Admiralty Inlet directly to the north. Cool in summer, warm in winter. So it rains, so what?

Denis LaCrosse

efredd@att.net wrote:

Mike:

I'll try to call Jerry Jenkins after work tonight. I think you told us that he doesn't have a computer so he hasn't seen all of the stuff you've collected from all of us so far. I'll try to convince him to at least take a look on someone else's computer and maybe send in a current photo.

Elmer

Mike,

Would you mind if we all referred to your Pillsbury website as "our website"? I've been referring to it that way with all of my friends and family around here. I always give you credit, though, for putting the thing together and for bugging us to get the information to you.

Seeing Harry's and Tom's current photos convinced me that I should get a personal picture taken and sent in. My wife took it for me last Friday evening. Almost all of the other pictures of me on the website were taken by Mike many years ago.

I was glad to see your new picture Mike. You're probably like me ... always behind the camera rather than in front of it.

Wish me luck with Jerry tonight.

Regards to all

Elmer Fredd